I bought these for a winter trip I had planned. The first time I wore them, they tore on the stiching around the thumb. I also found them not nearly as warm as they claimed to be. The liner glove has rubbery sports for better grip, and while they worked, they had nearly all come off by day 3. They only things I did like about the glove: They fit well so I was able to do more when they were on, and the palm material was nice and grippy. Overall however it was a huge disappointment, and I usually love OR products
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