I only got in a couple of trips with these before the ice melted out. But, compared to the other ice tools I used, these were fantastic. It took a bit to get used to the radical curvature of the shaft, but once you get used to that you'll love the angle in which your hand sits. Much more comfortable to work up long stretches. The multiple hand positions make climbing over bulges or matching hands a breeze. These are definitely for ice/mixed/dry, and not for technical mountaineering. Probably want something more like the Quark for that. The
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